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14 Jun 2021
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“Secara umum cuaca minggu ini selalu dalam keadaan baik.” (“The weather this week has been good on the whole.”)
I personally feel “secara umum” (generally) and “selalu” (always) are redundant. Do Indonesian native speakers use this combination?
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“Secara umum cuaca minggu ini selalu dalam keadaan baik.” (“The weather this week has been good on the whole.”)
I personally feel “secara umum” (generally) and “selalu” (always) are redundant. Do Indonesian native speakers use this combination?
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The Indonesian sentence is retrieved from Tatoeba Corpus:
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentences/show/4733187
I personally feel “secara umum” (generally) and “selalu” (always) are redundant. Do Indonesian native speakers use this combination?
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The Indonesian sentence is retrieved from Tatoeba Corpus:
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentences/show/4733187
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14 Jun 2021
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@MsFixer Yeah, I'd also say this is redundant as secara umum means "generally" while selalu means "always". A better direct English translation would be "in general, the weather this week has always been good". In Indonesian, as both of the words have similar connotations, this makes the sentence sound redundant. This is what is called "kalimat tidak efektif" in Indonesian linguistics - a redundant, ambiguous, grammatically incorrect sentence, and/or sentences with incorrectly spelled words.
In the official BMKG (Badan Meteorologi, Klimatologi, dan Geofisika) weather forecast sentences like "Secara umum cuaca minggu ini baik/cerah" would more often be used as using selalu would imply that all Indonesia from west to east would always experience the same weather (which sounds scientifically impossible). You can also replace the word minggu with pekan, which has the same meaning but has a more stiff and formal connotation.
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I’d say, ‘secara umum cuaca minggu ini cerah’ - if the weather is bright and sunny.
If the weather is so-so, ‘secara umum cuaca minggu ini cukup baik’
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@MsFixer Yeah, I'd also say this is redundant as secara umum means "generally" while selalu means "always". A better direct English translation would be "in general, the weather this week has always been good". In Indonesian, as both of the words have similar connotations, this makes the sentence sound redundant. This is what is called "kalimat tidak efektif" in Indonesian linguistics - a redundant, ambiguous, grammatically incorrect sentence, and/or sentences with incorrectly spelled words.
In the official BMKG (Badan Meteorologi, Klimatologi, dan Geofisika) weather forecast sentences like "Secara umum cuaca minggu ini baik/cerah" would more often be used as using selalu would imply that all Indonesia from west to east would always experience the same weather (which sounds scientifically impossible). You can also replace the word minggu with pekan, which has the same meaning but has a more stiff and formal connotation.
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I think the original English sentence with “the whole” means “throughout the last seven days”, not the geographical coverage. And I agree with you that the entire Indonesian territories never experience the same weather, hahaha. Tidak mungkin!
Thank you for letting me know the term “pekan”. I know both “pekan” and “minggu”, but didn’t know “pekan” is more formal.
“Secara” sounds a bit formal to me. If so, maybe “pekan” might better fit with “secara”??
I think the original English sentence with “the whole” means “throughout the last seven days”, not the geographical coverage. And I agree with you that the entire Indonesian territories never experience the same weather, hahaha. Tidak mungkin!
Thank you for letting me know the term “pekan”. I know both “pekan” and “minggu”, but didn’t know “pekan” is more formal.
“Secara” sounds a bit formal to me. If so, maybe “pekan” might better fit with “secara”??
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@MsFixer "secara" does sound a little stiff to me as it's usually used in formal speech, so yeah, pekan does sound more suitable. However as secara umum is a set phrase you can actually put it with whatever word you like
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