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What do people in Japan usually do on their free time?
What do people in Japan usually do on their free time?
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I am a middle-aged man. When I was young, I often saw people read manga magazines in cafes, trains to kill their time. Now, I rarely see those scenes. People including me always use smartphones for Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and so on.
Other than that, Japanese people still enjoy going to malls. In the US, some malls might be losing momentum and be abandoned, but this is not the case in Japan. When I went to my country for a short visit last year, I went to a mall with my mum. That place was packed with a large crowd. This made me a bit wonder as e-commerce is very prevalent nowadays.
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"(This guy is here to pull his country down because he couldn't be adjusted to it.)"
And it seems that some guys are (or a guy is?) on this site only to write "What @Takamura_san says is wrong." 😛 I am very wondering why some different accounts write almost the same things about me.
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@Ignirion_the_dragon
Sorry, I know what I wrote is not for you. It might be annoying for you to read an ugly conversation between me and another person.
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- Country or region Japan
@undertherainjp
Ahh...ok, ok, before I give up my citizenship, you should stop using multiple accounts or changing accounts frequently. Ok?
Anyway, we should not talk about this anymore. This is not a place only for you.
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- Country or region Japan
It depends. There are much more options than before. So it's difficult to answer. Isn't it same as US?
When it comes to malls and e commerce, I agree with undertherainjp. Although I don't always have same opinions with her, honestly speaking I'm always fed up with Takamura_san's opinions. But unfortunately he is also representative of soｍe Japanese.
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@shikanosuke
Hi, can I ask you a simple question? Did you often see people read manga magazines in cafes, or coffee shops, or trains in the 2000s? In my experience, before people started using smartphones on a daily basis, reading paper media including manga was very common in Japan. This is rather general knowledge, I think.
It is okay if you don't like me(I don't dislike you). However, I don't think it is precise to say "In Japan, Adults don't read manga in public."
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- Country or region Japan
@Takamura_san It seems sales of manga magagine are decreasing. But it's same with other print publications. I saw many people who read news papers in trains before. They are obviously decreasing. It must be related to increasing of smartphones. So I agree with your thought about influence of smartphones. But SNS utilization rate of Japanese is relatively low according to some surveys.
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@shikanosuke
Very thanks and sorry for answering. So, did you often see people read manga magazines in trains, coffee and tea shops in the 2000s? I did.
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@Takamura_san I think more people were reading manga in trains than now. But I feel that it's more remarkable that newspaper readers have decreased.
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@shikanosuke
Although sometimes/often our opinions are different, but I think you are not a bad person. It seems that you want to be honest, at least. Sorry for my frank and rough words. I am a little worried about the current situation here. It is okay for me whether or not undertherainjp's opinion is different from mine. That difference is very common. Rather, I want to embrace differences no matter where I am. However, he/she often attacks others, not only me, as you know. And he/she changes his/her account very frequently. It doesn't seem good for this place. Questioners here are interested in Japan. That kind of behaviour alienates them. It might not be my business, though.
Anyway, I will not write answers as frequently as now because I am going to change my working hours and will not have time for writing answers here.
こんにちは。わたしたちの意見はしばしば食い違いますが、あなたが真摯な人であるという印象を持っています。すみません、生意気な言い方で。ここの現状を少しばかり心配しています。意見が違うのは構わないし、むしろそうであるべきでしょう。我々は違う人間なのですから。ただundertherainjpさんはわたしだけではなく、他の方にもしばしば失礼な物言いをしますし、頻繁にアカウントを変えているようです。せっかく日本に興味を持ち、ここに来てくださっている方を、むしろ遠ざけてしまっているように思います。まあ、わたしが気にすべきことではないのかもしれませんが。
わたし自身は仕事の時間帯を変える予定なので、現在のように頻繁にアンサーを書くことはできないと思います。それで落ち着けばいいんですが。
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@Takamura_san
undertherainjpさんがそこまで攻撃的にならなくてもいいんじゃないかと思うことは私もありますが、undertherainjpさんのような人もTakamura_sanさんのような人もいるのが日本ということなんだろうと思いますね。
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@shikanosuke
As you wrote, having diverse people and diverse opinions have a big meaning not only for our country but also for any places on this globe. However, I am very suspicious whether what his/her does is favourable to this place. I came back here two or three weeks ago, since then I have seen three or four people triggered by him/her. Considering that It is only in two or three weeks, I don't think this is productive and makes users here enjoy communicating with Japanese speakers, or build a good reputation of both Japan and Japanese people. More importantly, he/she has changed his account, at least, three times only in two years. No one should not do such a suspicious thing. It might have been that he/she was banned repeatedly because of many arguments and insultings, so he/she had no choice but to change his/her account. Of course, I don't have concrete evidence as I am not a member of HiNative management.
Anyway, thank you for responding to me.
おっしゃるように様々な人や意見を有することは、日本だけではなく、どこにおいても大きな意味を持つでしょう。ただ彼/彼女の存在が好ましいものであるのかどうか。ここに戻ってきてから2,3週間ほどですが、その間に3,4人の方が、彼/彼女の発言によって、明らかに気分を害していました。たった2,3週間ですよ。こういった行為が日本なり日本人なりの評判に貢献しているとはとても思えないし、人としてどうかという気もします。さらに言えば、彼/彼女はたった2年の間に、少なくとも3回はアカウントを変更しています。こういったことは慎むべきでしょう。まあ、際限ない論争のせいでアカウントを凍結され、しかたなくアカウントを変えているのかもしれませんが。
いずれにせよ、お返事ありがとうございました。
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- Country or region Japan
@Takamura_san 多分彼女は友好のためにここにいるわけではないんでしょ。誤った日本像の広まりに怒ってるのかなと思ってみてます。そういう意味で私は迎合的な日本人に嫌悪感を持つ気持ちは理解できますので、ヤリ過ぎには個人的に目をつむってます。彼女に感情を害される人がいるのも確かでしょうから、アカウント凍結の判断などその辺の判断は運営の判断に任せたいと思ってます。
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@shikanosuke
If he/she tries to correct distorted images of Japan, I would rather welcome it. However, what he/she claimed in the past is:
An average starting salary for fresh graduates is 260 thousand yen.
Japanese people don't read manga in public.
This is totally baseless, far from the reality as if he/she lived in a different Japan on a different Earth. This is not even a matter of perception. Not telling true things, insulting others, his/her presence seems to have a negative effect on this website.This is not my business, though. Anyway, thank you.
もし彼/彼女が日本の歪められたイメージを正してくれるならば、むしろわたしにとっても好ましいことです。ただ彼/彼女が過去に主張したことは
・大卒の平均初任給は26万円
・日本人は出先で漫画など読まない
などで、もう無茶苦茶です。これらはもう見方の問題でさえないでしょう。現実と明確に異なることを書き、他者を侮辱しているとなると、とても好ましいとは思えない。まあ、前に書いたように、我々のビジネスではないわけですが。
わざわざお返事いただき、ありがとうございました。
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@Takamura_san このサイトでいつも迷うのは、「日本ではどうですか？」と聞かれる時で他国との比較が必要な場合です。Takamura_sanさんは海外経験が豊富なようですが、当然一面しか見れない。日本に住んでても日本の全てを知ってるわけではない。漫画を読むかということについてはまあある程度統計も取れることですから、問題にはなりにくいはずだと思います。そうでない場合、Takamura_sanさんの場合はなんというかイデオロギーのフィルターが掛かってる度合いが高く感じます。私も五十歩百歩だと思いますが、この場合論争になりがちですね。undertherainjpさんはそういうイデオロギーとはちょっと違う感じがします。単純な事実関係の場合はお互いソースなどを出して解決できるはずと思います。それ以外で単純に失礼は物言いとかに関しては別問題でしょう。確かにそれは好ましいこととは思いません。他の国の方のHINATIVEユーザーが自国のセクションでどういう態度を取ってるのか知りませんが、いずれにしてもここで回答する人が増えないとサンプルが足らず、国民性を判断する根拠にはなりませんよね。ちょっと話が余計なことまで行ってしまいましたね。失礼しました。
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@shikanosuke
I admit that I only know a very small part of each country. Ultimately, I am a foreigner or guest no matter where I am or how long I have been. Anyway, both of us understand one simple fact: "All people are different and all are, more or less, biased." So, we can find common ground and an amicable solution between us. This is good enough for me.
As for the current atmosphere of Japan section on this app, it is talked a little at this place.
https://hinative.com/ja/questions/13141638
You can read what other people feel. They seem to have a similar impression as I have. There are some interpretations regarding what the cause is. It might be because of a specific person, or it might be because of Japan's trait.
しょせんは一面しか見ていないというのはおっしゃるとおりだと思いますよ。外国人であり、お客さんですから、たとえどんなに長く住んでも。いずれにせよ、わたしたちは「誰もが同じじゃないし、それぞれに偏っている」という共通認識を持っているわけで、その点でわかりあえる部分も、歩み寄れる部分もあるでしょう。
日本セクションの現状については、こちらで少し語っているので興味があればどうぞ。
https://hinative.com/ja/questions/13141638
他の国の方も「日本セクション、変じゃない？」って感想を持っているようです。ただ、これが特定の個人の影響によるものなのか、日本という社会に根ざしたものなのかは、それぞれに見方があるでしょう。
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